The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. . People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? That took a lot. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Who knows. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. U.S. lawsuits Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Look a fanboy. I still own them all. Thats fine. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. That could happen easily. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Its a novelty, its got issues! SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Companies stay silent 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. 3. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. The Glock fails on both counts. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. 01:10. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. He probably had a double until it was over. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. I agree. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. D. ALL OF THEM. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. But breaking news here, skippy. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Give me a break. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. He was told to shoot two rounds. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. Inside the gun, a metal piece called the sear should keep the weapon from firing until the trigger is pulled. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Thats the same. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. And thats just my opinion. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Plastic crap! Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. There were a lot of changes. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. (It wasnt my gun). Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. Too Many Accidents I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. They didnt have to, but did. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies.
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