Q: Does using KCM preclude any chance that I may be selected for additional screening after I successfully transit an access point and proceed into the sterile area of an airport? What? We shouldn't put anything pass anybody. So it does happen..not a fishy story. The plane wont be leaving without me as long as I inform schedule that Im in the airport. Also a lot of airports, like Ohare, dont require ground crew to go through security check points. I hate skipping customers in line at general, CLEAR or precheck. Real professional comment on your part. Susan Hollis Garrett. I'll bet you're very good at stacking pillows and blankets around something you'll never find. Other Airline Flight Attendants have told me that some of their colleagues have been terminated for violating KCM policies. If you don't like going through security, then commercial aviation is not the right job for you. Because flight attendants would bring something to harm their day at work? Review: EgyptAir Lounge Cairo Airport (CAI), Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. The Known Crewmember program (often abbreviated KCM) allows select airline pilots and flight attendants to enter the sterile area of the airport without going through the standard security screening process. I don't really care if literally the whole crew, all my fellow passengers, and TSA are all smuggling drugs on every flight so long as I get where I'm headed. Ill go easy on the guy that said he was a cargo pilot. And since you're so hung up on logistics, you should be able to comprehend that people in positions of need will more likely risk activities such as drug smuggling. I dont know if any pilots who have been caught in the USA smuggling drugs. MNM8[@w1\J2t_ig VIgM]0%b"fM Second, customers are always disappointed when a crew member steps to the front of a line. If someone smuggles drugs or other prohibited items through security or customs, bust them and prosecute, dont completely attempt to re invent the wheel by punishing everyone. Also, the US is rolling out more and more high tech scanners which are much faster. Historical flightdeck positions include: If you look at the Number of incidents that are occurring, the majority, are all flight attendants. 0000003889 00000 n Actually, I've seen the pre- check line longer than the general boarding line! I'm a flight attendant with 34 years seniority. Stay mad, enjoy going through the security checkpoint. Flight attendants have the weapons they need readily available: cockpit access and a bottle of wine from the galley. Thank you. Did you mean minutes? 2,056 Sq. For all these keyboard cowboys, do you actually know how to Google? Actually ALL flight attendant and pilots are required to scan our badge and it's mandatory. Thats a great idea especially as we strip off all our jewelry, belts, shoes, food, drinks, and 6-pk for overnight! And those are not small. Ok, back to your BarcaLounger. AFA worked with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to ensure that Flight Attendants would be included in this vital program, which allows participating crew members to access sterile areas of the airport through a separate crew portal. NEWSFLASH: Most hand creams that flight attendants use (#1 preferred product by F/A's is "WORKING HANDS") have glycerine at the VERY TOP of the ingredients list. 0000057216 00000 n Therefore, KCM eligible crewmembers are required to understand theKCM Rules for Useand comply with these rules while using the KCM access points. Poshmark prohibits the sale of items that have been recalled by governments or manufacturers. This would no longer be a joint initiative with the Air Line Pilots Association and Airlines for America, but rather would entirely be under the control of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). It just sucks overall, especially for those of us who do not smuggle drugs or weapons just do their jobs and just want to use flight benefits on their days off. The REAL problem is that airline management, in conjunction with the FA unions, basically hire anyone with a "pulse" to be a Flight Attendant. governments around the world, including in the US, are doing more surveillance of their own citizens - let alone others from other countries. There's too many crewmembers to have them all go through pre-check. Every actual crew member reading this comment section knows you made that up. Perhaps the TSA services will improve if there are enough complaints from pilots and FAs as they way they treat some people is unacceptable. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Also keep in mind that when returning to active status there will be a delay in updating your status to active which may result in your inability to use KCM access. A 14 year old girl flew coast to coast solo, followed by her father, an airline captain in another plane. It only takes a few bad apples (be it pilots or flight attendants) to ruin the process for everyone.. An aircraft can board without a pilotbut not without the minimum crew of flight attendants.. and considering how long our duty days are, I don't know any flight attendants willing to leave their layover hotel a couple hours earlier. And not punish the rest of us. Additionally, authorized crewmembers must not be on a leave of absence greater than 30 days, including furloughs and military duty. H\n@E|E/E*Hc'IFvb@m/7HdsSnv&vgs.x 7$/L)Icvy7M;fxI:dn&_0VLot){u~?b'&o:L;v25pIcex?tw I],GpE%og9.Z,Y?"[Z\Kr dfEZvg_}Yee_}Yec_}999999999998s9A0G#s9=(xdYsY8sA8sA8sPAW+ Thank you to the wonderful TSA for wasting everyones time and making the lives of hard working crew members harder while decreasing safety at the same time. I recently took a leave of absence from my airline, am I eligible to use KCM while on leave? Cops, firefighters and paramedics are first responders. I'm a TSA officer and I'm glad KCM is ending. Maybe that would deter them? Seriously??? I would love to see the upcoming changes on the program since I'm currently a flight attendant. Secondly, its rather disturbing that TSA agents have very little oversight in regards to entering secure areas with bags, purses, etc. The people being caught with contraband are both flight attendants and pilots. There are a number of products which have entry or exit limitations in Spain from outside the European Union, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. We are required to sign in at latest 1 hr before departure. I have also seen pilots try to bring animals or children through KCM with them. TSA might not be perfect but I would rather have them then not. But I guess let's just ignore those statistics and realities because you're offended by it. Non-uniformed crewmembers are screened to passenger-screening standards. Yes, I flew this week. KCM was a tremendous privilege these years we enjoyed it. CrewPASS has been used successfully at three East Coast airportsBaltimore/Washington International (BWI), Pittsburgh International (PIT) and Columbia (S.C.) Metropolitan (CAE)for almost three years. Will you diffuse the bomb and save the day? Youre a bunch of loser clowns. Its simply aggravation when you have to wait on a slow ass employee bus then drag your bag to security and here an offer say You wanna try your luck with a dumb ass grin on their face. We should not take a step backward. A: Effective March 31, 2022, the TSA will require KCM eligible crewmembers to scan a KCM-issued barcode card when utilizing a KCM access point. Crewmembers should follow TSA instructions and not attempt to resolve the issue with TSA officers as they are unable to rectify system failures or denials. 0000001462 00000 n At least flight attendants have to meet some kind of standards and have a lot to lose. The sense of entitlement from flight attendants and especially pilots is wild. Random screening/USP is a normal TSA screening policy. You don't and that's ok because the flight attendants do. They aren't looking for drugs but if they find you strapped up with bricks of coke and fentanyl they have to get police involved, you absolute morons. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Three common soft skills for a mcdonalds . Flight attendants should have a probationary period and then allowed in as well. Then go deal with management messaging and calling asking why your late to the gate because you got a random search and your flight is 3 terminals away. The most common hard skill for a mcdonalds crew member is cleanliness. That's Have anyone seen how TSA Employees (as well as LEOs )gain access to the secured sterile areas of any of our nation's airports around the country? Packages large enough to smuggle a sufficient quantity of and when people are searched - which IS part of the security screening process - then there is a legitimate NECESSITY to escalate something that is illegally found to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. Completely disagree with you Ben. Drug interdiction isn't TSA's job and they know it. Q. Known Crewmember Fact Sheet (Source: www.knowncrewmember.org) Q. 1) Its pretty insulting to trash the time & money spent. It's not my business what a person freely chooses to put in their own bodynor is it government's business. If Will is a pilot, it only reinforces the often primadonma, elitist egos of many pilots. However, keep in mind it is not just F/A's who have been known to smuggle items or take advantage of the benefit. I use KCM and live in a base. Blame is on BOTH sides of the door. Second, customers are always disappointed when a crew member steps to the front of a line. Which is handing out band-aids and pressing buttons on an AED.after the machine TELLS you to. On January 26, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), issued an order, requiring operators to collect, store and verify documentation on the current COVID-19 status of inbound international air passengers traveling to the United States. ice skates. Also allowing them to use this when they are off duty is the other problem. You, Mr "peepee" sound as though you already have a preconceived notion about flight attendants and are lumping us all together. I'll go to the end of the line and the flight will leave when I get to the aircraft and complete my duties. The ones working the KCM check point are the laziest ones. So, what is even closer scrutiny of crew trying to accomplish? Crewmembers may request a new or replacement KCM barcode card from their airline management. Failure to submit to screening at the passenger screening checkpoint (e.g., using a SIDA badge to avoid screening) is considered circumvention of screening, and TSA may take enforcement action in accordance with the KCM Disqualification Protocols (KCMDP). I dont think there was EVER a 3-4 HOUR security line.except maybe right after 9/11 or perhaps a few times in AMS over the summer. The continued success of the program is dependent upon crewmembers demonstrating that they can be trusted to comply with all related requirements. Crewmembers may not bring pets or pet carriers through the KCM access point. I am a U.S. airline pilot, and while disappointing, this development was not unexpected. "First responders" L.O.L. Security is an illusion there is no reason to subject those flying the airplane to TSA checks. Which is handing out band-aids and pressing buttons on an AED.after the machine TELLS you to. As a frequent flyer Ive received far more attitude from FAs them I ever have from TSA. There's no generally available program that would allow most people to bypass airport security altogether. If the pilots on a flight become incapacitated, the lives of everyone on board are jeopardized; if the flight attendants become incapacitated, it is a Pilots are not easily replaced, flight attendants are. Have anyone seen how TSA Employees (as well as LEOs )gain access to the secured sterile areas of any of our nation's airports around the country? As a 121 passenger pilot, this would push me to go fly cargo, it would be too much of a hassle to go through normal security. It's not rocket science. We do get front of the line access. Carriage of another individuals property through the KCM portal to circumvent screening is prohibited. Your anger and frustration brings me joy. He clearly doesnt do this on the day yo day and sounds dumb. When all of the flights are getting delayed, people will be wishing KCM was back. I stopped using it entirely for about 2 months now. So tell me. It takes all of us to to fly passengers. https://www.afacwa.org/setting_record_straight_kcm_rumors?fbclid=IwAR2Jx6AzwBq_JTj471QFrQZST-hQzQNXJEa26tUuXbfKvLQLc_UNFuWuNzc. Crewmembers may not transit the KCM portal with any. What are you 10 years old kid. Users can change airlines, barcodes, and view history all from the same account. [1] [2] Collectively called cabin crew, flight attendants are primarily responsible for passenger safety and comfort. If pilots were running a little late for whatever reason, the flight attendants would still be required to be there to board passengers so as not to be faulted with a delay in the boarding process. The TSAs job is not to look for drugs or identify other illegal activity. I do agree that some Flight Attendants have ruined it a lot by doing wrong but if they cancel the program and don't provide an alternative you'll see the number of Flight Attendants dropping drastically because none of us would go stand for 3-4 hours in TSA and then at the gate without getting paid. I honestly don't give a flying beep about ending KCM. Steve - Did you fly this past year? xb```b``AX,n_8ya*d0)ZJR 2 70H@ However, off-duty crews should ALWAYS have to proceed thru the TSA security checkpoints like regular passengers. Just dump your item, go though screening, exit security and you are reset to try again. A few extra minutes of my time isnt going to matter that much. It aint gonna happen. Flight crews already have to arrive hours before their flight and are not even getting paid. Crewmembers are also subject to random inspection anywhere after security including onboard the aircraft before departure. Interesting SMR? The Department of Homeland Security and the White House also have given their approval for KCM. One who will force change for the better. TSA really should be abolished. Full screening. But it's ridiculous to get rid of a program that seems to be working fairly good so far. Crewmembers must be fully certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)as applicable; currently employed by the aircraft operator holding an approved TSA security program; have successfully completed the Criminal History Records Check (CHRC) process; be authorized to perform crewmember duties on full all-cargo flights, scheduled passenger or public/private charter passenger flights operated under an approved security program; and have completed the aircraft operators crewmember security training as applicable. The vast majority of crew use KCM exactly as they should and are law abiding. Failure to follow the instruction provided by the TSO may result in action by the TSA, which may include a loss of KCM privileges for that crewmember. For all these keyboard cowboys, do you actually know how to Google? They are a clueless bunch of goons. A joke. An aircraft can board without a pilotbut not without the minimum crew of flight attendants.. and considering how long our duty days are, I don't know any flight attendants willing to leave their layover hotel a couple hours earlier. That is incorrect, KCM has an annual fee usually paid for by the union, company, or individual flight crew members - depending on the company. An automated enhancement to random screening/USP has been enabled in the KCM system. You, Mr "peepee" sound as though you already have a preconceived notion about flight attendants and are lumping us all together. Flight Attendants in Women's History Month. I'm a crew member and lately the random checks have increased to the point of ridiculous. Either way, you're a crewmember so you'd better get ready for work, you have peanuts to distribute. Right Eddie!?! Zero??? I agree with you about flight attendants vs pilots. My cousin is a flight attendant that flys internationally from South America to the United States. 11/21/22 Notice to KCM Participating Airlines, 6/29/22 Notice to KCM Participating Airlines, 3/1/22 Notice to KCM Participating Crewmembers, 6/23/20 Notice to KCM Participating Crewmembers, A non-expired government-issued photo ID; and, An aircraft operator-issued crewmember photo ID. Have new threats from crew been identified? These items must accompany the crew member upon . (I hear at home On the one hand, I've spent the last 16 years+ working for TSA. You walk on your own to TSA Pre and wait in line with everyone else. Enter your email address here and we will send you an email with your username and instructions on how to change your password. %PDF-1.4 % The majority of flight attendants and pilots follow the rules. Not airport staff and crew check point. Now pilots are going to be harassed over non-compliant 3-1-1 liquids. Your fellow drug smugglers "submitted backgrounds" top. Where did you read that? Plus I would love to see you pilots sitting in the cockpit waiting for 2 hours without being able to board. So to clarify, a flight attendant like a pilot is required to do a strenuous background check. First, crew members appreciate having a KCM check point. Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United MEC, 2020 Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO. In May 2007, the TSA approved the first version of an alternate screening method called the Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). That's right. So TSA will have to expand 5% to maintain current levels of delays and missed flights. Will the Expedited Crew Access program require all pilots and flight attendants to be screened, or? My concern for flight attendants would be the TSA liquid limits. I don't really care if literally the whole crew, all my fellow passengers, and TSA are all smuggling drugs on every flight so long as I get where I'm headed. Stay in your uniform you wont have that problem. Maximum penalties. 1. Thats fine. FAA MIS REPORTS DUE MARCH 15, 2023 - click, FAA PILOT RECORDS DATABASE DEADLINES - click, Flight School Security Awareness Training, Twelve-Five Standard Security Program (TFSSP), Private Charter Standard Security Program (PCSSP), Flight Training Security Program (FTSP) - formerly AFSP, DCA Access Standard Security Program (DASSP), Full All-Cargo Aircraft Operator Standard Security Program (FACAOSSP), Pilot Records Improvement Act (PRIA) of 1996. International Jet Aviation Services, Inc. Springfield Aircraft Charter and Sales Inc. Airbrock Management and Charter Services Inc. REAL ID enforcement deadline extended to 2025, IMPORTANT: Regulatory Anti-Drug & Alcohol Program Reminder. As a 30 year career airline pilot, I have a vested interest in protecting my career, so do all of the other pilots I fly with taking security seriously. KCM Crewmember definition & requirements: For the purpose of the KCM Program, authorized crewmembers have been defined by the TSA as: Captains or Pilots in Command, First Officers or Co-Pilots, Flight Engineers, Flight Navigators, Flight Attendants and Load Masters for full all-cargo operations. If the penalties for breaking the rules were severe and immediate, I believe the problem would be quelled. "Strip searched" When you fabricate, you lose all credibility. 2023 PlanePeople. You seem to be missing the point and just jumping on the offense instead. Sporting goods, kitchen utensils, tools, and other items with sharp edges or points capable of injuring a person. While I havent seen the document myself, this has allegedly been outlined in a Known Crewmember update, following a meeting with TSA Administrator David Pekoske. . As for the argument about crew members mucking up the pre-check line, the way immigration lines are done should be the standard: there is always a dedicated crew line which pre-check users can use if there are no crew members. Effective January 13, 2015, the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) Known Crewmember (KCM) requirements changed to provide crewmembers access to KCM out of uniform. Some flight crew position names are derived from nautical terms and indicate a rank or command structure similar to that on ocean-going vessels, allowing for quick executive decision making during normal operations or emergency situations. What do you make of the news of the TSA replacing the Known Crewmember Program with Expedited Crew Access? Q: What should I do if I encounter a TSA screening officer who does not seem to be applying the KCM requirements correctly? The protection from unwarranted searching isn't about protecting people carrying contraband. I'm tired of regularly going to KCM and being told that I got random. A flight attendant, also known as steward / stewardess or air host / air hostess, is a member of the aircrew aboard commercial flights, many business jets and some government aircraft. Well, at least for larger airports. As it is, many of us follow the rules and are constantly being chosen to go to regular security; I have no issue with going through but it has become and everyday event for most honest people. Will you diffuse the bomb and save the day? Lmao you think I care about wait times and passenger volume? As a flight attendant myself I see this as another power grab by the government entity tsa. A flight attendant, like a pilot has the ability to go through KCM by scanning their KCM badge, flashing their badge as you say to verify the screen matches the badge in front of them, and showing an additional verification of ID, passport or FAA airman card.
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