If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Whatever the truth is. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. You took my life. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. . Or did they? As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Dance defense. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. She was wrongfully convicted.. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Patricia Owens, Wow. 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She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! It was Patricias hair no question. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Both were deceased. . Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. SHAME ON THEM. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? You took my family all in one night," she said. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! And she called 911. This is the most ridiculous take ever! The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Have a tip or story idea? Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. (Ross Township Police Department). Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! 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It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. They are a joke. She definitely did it. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Thats my life.. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? "You knew how the And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. Disagree with On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. There are innocent people in prison. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Youll have to make do with what you see here. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. You should be ashamed of yourself. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? False. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Thank you and well said. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Prosecutor pounds away. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel.
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