I hope this helps you out A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Model 12 duck guns could be ordered in pidgeon grade, featuring fancy wood and meticulous fitting and finish of parts. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. 12 Gauge, For sale is the Winchester Model 12. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Charles Askins provides data for the patterning of several of his personal shotguns with Westerns Super X shells loaded with their new #4 copper-plated shot. Twelve magnum guns grew lighter over the years and consequently kick harder. Charles Askins confirmed the tighter patterns and greater effective range in the field. My name is Chuck 620 515 0556. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. The duck gun sent to the American Rifleman staff in 1935 would not unlock during recoil. This Model 12 has Serial Number 1391884 was produced in 1953. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. 28" vent rib, full choke barrel with front bead sight. the store. I am planning on shooting it at the Grand Nostalgia shoot. It was a little rough so I am doing a restoration. A great looking gun, in excellent condition. I am anxious to get it back from the engraver. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. I still have a few 2nd style action slides left. The vent rib is stamped "SIMMONS GUN SPECIALTIES INC. KANSAS CITY, MO.". part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. SN is 167xx, all numbers do match. The slide lock is automatically released by the forward nudge of recoil in the Model 12. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. An offset proof mark will boost the value compared to an aftermarket rib. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. Looks to me a bit like the raised rib on a Lutjic one barrel trap gun- and the 870- well, Rudy Etchen shot a 12 gauge 870 Trap Grade he got new in 1950-I'd like to have a C-note for every clay bird, box pigeon and game bird he shattered with that old Remmie- I could move in next to Bill Gates- or maybe his gardener!! Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. Buy a Winchester Model 12 12ga., 30-inch Full choke, Simmons ventilated rib; this gun was made in 1941 (se for sale by Vintage Sporting on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 963027340 As to price, it will also depend on gauge, barrel length, choke, barrel steel, wood type, pad vs. plate, etc. I know the patent date for this rib was 1919. When it was. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. The deeply blued barrel and receiver frame are very good. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. The drop at heel was reduced from 2-1/2 to 2-3/8 inches in December 1938. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. At a reasenable Price, you can have that gun you allways wanted without all this drama. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. I wish I had them back! IC CHOKED MIROKU MADE. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. This is why they were rust blued instead of hot blued. THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. generous return policy, and handle everything you dont have to go back to I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. In duck shooting the proportion of magazine guns in use is much higher, probably four men in five using the repeater. Askins added, Fact is, personally, I have always thought that I was surer on the second bird with a repeater than I was with a double gun. On gauges for duck hunting: No fault is to be found with the twelve [gauge] as a duck gun, whether in double barrel with 3 inch cases or in repeaters with 2 3/4 inch. The history of Oliver F. Winchester (1810-1880) and his endeavors in the manufacturing of fire-arm sat Bridgeport and New Haven, Connecticut, is filled with circumstances that could have led to corporate failure. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local Guns.com's selection won't leave you feeling unprepared. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. 1937 2pin vent rib offerd, all skeet grade guns offerd with solid or plain barrels. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. The help you need is to get a life. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. Full choke was the only standard boring available. is 14" with pad. Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. He worked with another Winchester researcher. to be finishedat least thats what Stadt says in his book"Winchester, Shotguns and Shotshells"very interesting book.a little different look at M-12 than Madis and Riffle.WC. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". No Reserve. Market hunting was legislated out of existence in the late teens. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. See pi, Winchester Model 12, 28 gauge SKEET pump action shotgun, circa 1955. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Very fine as professionally custom finished, showing 95% of the refurbished blue, with scattered rust spotting and handling marks. Produced in 1961. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? Manufactured in 1959. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. The near nine-pound Model 12 duck gun is an anachronism among todays waterfowl hunting shotguns. Model 12 Skeet Pump Shotgun. If it's a 12 gauge, replacement factory butt stocks can be hard to come by. Tried to talk him out of doing it and sell him a build up gun but he wanted a vent rib on it as it was his dad's gun. I don't believe their ever was a royalty, actually Simmons kept selling his special vent rib model 12's after the 1955 introduction of the Winchester Special Vent Rib @ New Haven. Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. Total production reached two million. Regards Chuck. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. But getting back to the original question, a Simmons rib does detract from the value of a Model 12 and most people will turn away from them. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. 1934 skeet grade offerd. (no choke stamp on barrel). In 1963, when production ended, Riffles book shows no options available. President Roosevelt signed the law limiting magazine repeaters to three shells for migratory game bird hunting in 1935. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. The point is the model 12 evolved. Sales of 100,000 were recorded in the first two years of production. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. We need to talk model 12's sometime. Action works very nicely. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Stock has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece and European pistol grip with a right hand palm swell. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. Bluing is in overall very good condition. . And our It still is. Saint Charles, Missouri. Patterns were fired from a benchrest, using American Target Company B21 silhouette targets measuring 35 by 45 inches. The standard length was 2-5/8 inches. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. It is first shooting light. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Charles Askins commented on the new Model 12 duck gun in the March 1936 issue of Outdoor Life: This should be the best long-range repeating shotgun now made or that has been made. No faint praise, but hardly a surprise. winchester model 12 heavy duck gun 30" simmons vent rib 1953 pre-64 rare 12 ga. magnum 3" edition proof marking - 12 gauge magnum - 5 - 30 " The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. at the best online prices at eBay! All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. Will Winchester ever build the Model 12 again? Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. Winchester Model 12 16Ga Pump Shotgun 28" Excellent condition Made in 1939 Gun #: 903285649 Seller: JerArms GA Sales: 60 $872.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) Winston Churchill custom Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 20 gauge, gold relief, staggering wood, provenan. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Sto, Used Winchester 12 20 Gauge, Pump-Action Shotgun, 25" Barrel Wood Stock, No Box. Initially came a series of auto-loading rifles, including the rimfire Model 1903 and centerfire rifles, culminating with the Model 1910, chambered for the 401 WSL cartridge. Stay in the know. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. I have several 2-pin guns. Has 30" barrel choked Full. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge (W9229) Price: $3,250.00 Item Number: W9229 Previously sold Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge shotgun. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. The short shot string put more shot into a duck whistling by at 50 yards. This was a result of the Watrous report, which recommended that many of the slow-selling options be discontinued following the war. Winchester suggests their 3-inch 12-gauge shotshells with 1 3/8-ounces or 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot for wildfowl hunting in their 1951 Ammunition Handbook: These shells were developed especially for extremes in long range shooting with 12-gauge Winchester Model 12 and Model 21 Heavy Duck Guns.. Most sellers have no idea what they are selling. Serial numbers match on barrel and receiver. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. becouse plain barrels shoot higher than solid ribs do ,solid ribs shoot flatter. No Reserve. As far as early 2 pins, remember there were a few made as early as 1919, standard and "graded" model 12's (ie) "Black Diamaonds" they had the longer checkered forearm. That is true about Model 42s, but, as far as researchers know, it is not true about Model 12s. I believe that Stadt's book is one of the few that actually states that Winchester did produce M42s with Winchester vent ribs. The magnum led to new class of long-range double-barrel shotguns for waterfowl. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Thus it was that the American Rifleman staff thought it odd that Winchester brought out the 3-inch chamber in their Model 12 pump gun. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. The first was helping the gunsmiths. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Has a Cutz on the end of the barrel. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. Click here for more information. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. Blue Book on this fine collector 12 gauge is around $2,700! Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. Pictures are of the item listed. McIntosh notes that the Super-X shotshell was a breakthrough to the modern age of shotgun ammunition. In a full-page ad in the September 1926 issue of the American Rifleman, Western claimed Killing power 15 to 20 yards beyond the effective range of ordinary loads.This was based on a documented reduction in stringing of the shot charge, from about 20 feet to about 4 feet, at 42 yards. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. Most books say they did not. The 30" heavy barrel is proof stamped "WINCHESTER TRADE MARK MADE IN THE U.S.A."; "-MODEL 12 - 12 GA. - FULL"; "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL"; "FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER - X 3 IN.". In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. Ab steadies the boat. It would stop ducks consistently at 80 yards. Two years after Askins wrote the above, he received from Ithaca the first 3 1/2inch Magnum 10 double off the assembly line. The barrel is stamped "WS 1" with 2 3/4, ****SOLD******Mfg 1956, 30" 2-Pin Vent Rib, Full, B-Carved Wood, 13 3/4" Lop to Winchester Pad, Wood shows some handling marks Nothing Bad, 90-95% Blue, Shiney Bore, Buyer pays 60.00 shippin. The stock finish is original and excellent. WARNING! Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot.
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