Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. Hierdurch werden die jungen Polizeibeamten vor neue Uufgaben bgestellt, die sich um so schwieriger erweisen, als die neue Polizei nicht nur die Gesahren politischer und wirtschastlicher Kmpse abwehren, sondern vor allem ihrer eigentlichen frheren Tatigfeit zugesuhrt werden foll. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. This is notwithstanding the fact that there were obviously less Weimar Era Police officers than NCO Police personnel. S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? Nickle plated (1900-1908) or tin plated (1908-1945). Remnants of the original artillery holster body up-strap attachment are visible; the cover flap keeper strap and the brass stud were removed and the hole was plugged in the cover flap and a belt buckle/strap closure, as stated above was added. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Police Lugers is a work of research by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker that has taken innumerable hours over five years to tell the tale of the history and evolution of the police in Germany, specifically about their usage of the German P08 (Luger pistol). On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. be a very rare, late date for a second conversion of a WW1 artillery holster to a P.08 style, police unit marked holster. I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Gustav Reinhardt Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L. Sch.137. (For more information, consult The Imperial German Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. Nachr. The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. Collectors tend to err toward a variation 2 style ERMA made and marked muzzle protector that is, interestingly a different mechanical design than the above, variation 1 spring tension muzzle protector that attaches to the barrel with a one-step process by sliding, then rotating clockwise, over the barrel sight band/blade assembly, then released in detent, held in place by spring tension. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. Im ubrigen hat aber das Bestreben vorgeherrscht, den Iert und Uusbau des Buches mglicht in seiner bisherigen Form zu warhen. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. Also, the same holster is pictured with a 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. Additionally, based on S.Br.I.365 - Schutzpolizei of Breslau, first precinct, item 365, LS.Al.13 - item 13 of the Landjaegerei school in Allenstein, K.B.526 - item 526 of the Kriminalpolizei of Berlin. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. It is interesting to note that in TBLAP, VIII, C19, page 1266 Sturgess states the following: regarding the police cleaning rods: For this purpose, the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), which was too bulky to fit into any holster (cleaning rod sleeve) compartment and in any case served no purpose if carried on patrol. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. rear threaded section to be rotated clockwise until it is snug against the rear Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. view 3. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. (communications maintenance squadron), Kraftfahrabteilung Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. Die neue Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere Gestze sind in nachster Zeit zu erwarten. German Police Unit Marks, 1920-1937. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. links[9]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would 1. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008. fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. wooden box sliding cover lid, which Pictured below are several Police Training and Instruction manuals dating from 1921 through 1949. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. In the publication History Writ in Steel by Don Maus 2009, chapter 6, page 86, Figure 6-6 discusses and shows a similar marked, cut-back artillery holster, unfortunately, showing only the holster marking, not the holster, leaving the exact configuration of the holster unknown, thus making the subject, uniquely modified holster, the only known published example. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. Description. There was an identical Zeitz marked holster offered for $695 on the web site of a major Luger retailer, however, stating in the description, specifically, that the holster is a WW2 police issue: ">WW2 police issue. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. is an identical holster in the collection, 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859. separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. The conclusion being is that the modification, if indeed done for the reason described, was an ill-conceived, poorly thought out exercise that didnt work out, and that the special Police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, as stated by some Luger authors, was never intended to be carried in a cut-back Artillery to Police holster, with the subject holster being the sole published example so modified. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. The serial number for the pistol is 4801 with a suffix of "t" which was mentioned as one of the possibilites by Ron. Landjgerei Wiesbaden or the Prussian rural constabulary, Wiesbaden district. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN marked police holster with a Weimer era Sunburst K police inspection stamp; view 1. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. Mfg Part Number. That is not to say that the use of the converted LP.08 holsters were subsequently discontinued with the introduction of the new style police holsters, but could have been used into the early Pictured are three views of a fine example holster; view 1, view 2, view 3. Lugers! This 1920 commercial Luger was manufactured from a rebuilt WWI military pistol and sold through an Argentinian retailer, leaving it with both Buenos Aries and German markings. It is curious that the Hannover Police markings, S. Hn. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. Brown would be rural. Pictured are a few examples: As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. Thanks for the help. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. steel rod with brass muzzle stop for 4-inch barrel P.08 Luger pistols with Berlin police group. new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t with the forward gripstrap marked as unit marked weapon number L.W.58. If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. It is not known if the J. Walter, page 149 pictured muzzle protector is police acceptance marked, although he does specifically state that the pictured, variation 1 muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the police cleaning rod. Click here for English translation. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. Featured is a WW2 police style holster marked WaAJL16 on the rear between the bell loops along with a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. And when new information comes out, sometimes "old" information is shown to be wrong. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s or possibly early 1930s by removing the angled buckle and strap closure, converting to the police type closure by adding a pull-up strap to the holster body and adding a steel stud[4] and leather keeper strip to the cover flap. the transcription. Luger DWM 1906 Navy, 9mm, 2nd issue. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. One of the belt loops appears to be replaced. What unit markings are on the pistol? These consisted of the following city and (Bavarian) State Police. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. It will therefore be easy for all police officers who are familiar with the content of the book to find their way through the reworking without difficulty. Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. 3. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. Brown Shirts]) eventually joined the Nazi Party. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, Abtlg. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . Polizeiwehr collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. This particular Police bayonet has been described not as Dress bayonet because it has an issue number on both the bayonet and the scabbard and as such its not a dress bayonet, but a duty bayonet and that they wore these on Patrol. Helping Police). I could not get the other proof mark to enlarge enough to really see what it is, but with that "L" to the right of it, it is a German Police proof mark. links[4]='http://www.theoldbrigade.co.uk'; The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. License and control of businesses; street lighting; control and upkeep of road surfaces; night watchmen; wells & water conduits; fire fighting; street begging; public health; passport, registration, and aliens' affairs; the Theater Police; the Market Police; servants office; embezzlement; control of gambling; the Morals Police; trade affairs; issue of hunting licenses; control of mentally ill and insane, and facilities for them; supervision of trucking matters; construction matters; and . Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). view 2 and view 3. Item Information. What magazine variation is proper for your Luger P.08? Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? Still. Simply a guard at a warehouse. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. Simson proofs. Yes it DWM marked but without a chamber date. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". From the Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection. I. German Police Forces during the Weimar Era, [This information is lifted almost verbatim from Weimar and Early WaA-Army, Luftwaffe Eagle 2-Air Force. RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. Versailles, and after repeated demands by the IMKK, on June 29, 1921, the German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. 11-17-2022 12:57 PM by Pistol. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. This has all matching numbers except for the proper grips and concentric ring, wooden base . Pictured is a brown leather 1939 dated Kern Klager & Cie Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. ad[7]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. The results cause us collectors no end of confusion, 78 years later. Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. Is wird daher fr alle Polizeibeamten, die mit dem Inhalt des Buches vertraut sind, ein leichtes sein, sich auch in der vorliegenden Reubearbeitung ohne Schwierigteit zurechtzusinden. Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. 2: 1,223: DWM unit marked. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. On the grip strap there are the markings L.Me.284. that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. Abtlg. equipment during the Imperial and Weimar eras. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. Nevertheless, cut-back artillery Luger holsters are inexplicably associated with the new police cleaning rods and appears self-evident that possibly, some of the new design police cleaning rods with brass stops were carried in the attached cleaning rod pouches of the converted LP.08 artillery to police holsters, and they also could be found in police stations. revolutionaries. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. Der herausgeber. You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. police forces to their 1914 level, namely 150,000 men. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Captain Ernst Roehm, future head of the SA [Sturmabteilung, a.k.a. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft, the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view, The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. 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